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"P-47 with rockets"
10-Aug-04, 04:01 AM (GMT)
I was talking to someone online the other day about US rocket firing aircraft and the P-47 came up.

Oddly enough we had trouble locating pics online of a P-47 carrying rockets. Almost every pic shows P-47's carrying droptanks or bombs. I found one picture of a P-47 carrying the bazooka tube style launchers and that was it. Supposedly the P-47 fired over 65,000 rockets in WW2 but I cant seem to find but one small grainy picture.

Anyone care to comment on P-47's carrying rockets or the lack of pictures?

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: P-47 with rockets Ridge_Runner_5admin 10-Aug-04 1
  RE: P-47 with rockets Skua 10-Aug-04 2
     RE: P-47 with rockets warbirdlover 11-Aug-04 3
         RE: P-47 with rockets Ridge_Runner_5admin 11-Aug-04 4
         RE: P-47 with rockets Skua 11-Aug-04 5
             RE: P-47 with rockets SkyChimp 12-Aug-04 6
                 RE: P-47 with rockets Mongo 12-Aug-04 7
                     RE: P-47 with rockets Anlushac11 12-Aug-04 8
                         RE: P-47 with rockets Skua 16-Aug-04 9
                             RE: P-47 with rockets Mongo 18-Aug-04 10
                     RE: P-47 with rockets NS2420 20-Aug-04 11
                         RE: P-47 with rockets Elias 20-Aug-04 12
                             RE: P-47 with rockets MaxL 20-Aug-04 13
                                 RE: P-47 with rockets Anlushac11 21-Aug-04 14
                                     RE: P-47 with rockets KIMURA 21-Aug-04 15

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1. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
10-Aug-04, 07:32 PM (GMT)
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I believe M10 rocket tubes were used pretty commonly in all theaters of war by US fighter planes. They were carried by P-38s, P-47s, P-51s and maybe a couple of others that dont spring to mind.

It was definately an efficiant way of carrying a large payload of air to ground rockets while providing minimal parasite drag on the aircraft...


 

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2. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
10-Aug-04, 07:42 PM (GMT)
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OK- this is all just guesswork, but that said, I can think of a few reasons why there are so few pics of the Jug with the rocket pods attached. First, most photos taken on the ground were probably done during "down" times between missions, and since the rocket pods were not always used, they most likely would not have been mounted at that time, but instead were in storage in the ordnance shed.

Next, missions involving the use of rockets were always low-level affairs. The Thunderbolts would have spent the majority of these missions at 1000 feet AGL or lower, and no one was going to play around with a camera under those circumstances.

At last, but perhaps not least, the plain fact of the matter was that it was difficult to hit ground targets with those rockets. They may have indeed fired 65,000 rockets during the war, but that pales besides the millions of 50-caliber rounds let loose. And if the gun camera footage shows the rockets just missing a locomotive, well, who's gonna want to save THAT picture? The pilots really didn't like the rockets all that much, and with their eight 50's, there wasn't much in the way of ground targets that the P-47 couldn't take out with the guns alone.


 

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3. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
11-Aug-04, 01:48 AM (GMT)
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There may not be many still photos but I've seen many gun camera pics on the History channel or Discovery Wings showing P-47's firing rockets.


 

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4. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
11-Aug-04, 03:01 AM (GMT)
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^^^^Yeah, what WBL said


 

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5. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
11-Aug-04, 01:35 PM (GMT)
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I've seen those as well, WBL. But, like other broadcasters, I've noticed that even the History Channel and Discovery have a tendency to "mix & match" footage to suit the voice-over. I've seen Helldivers taking off for the "Battle of Midway", B-17's bombing "Japanese positions in China", and similar faux-pas.

Actually, since the 9th Air Force groups were used almost exclusively for ground attack, I have no doubt that many, if not most, of the rocket-launch footage seen was, in fact from P-47's. But sometimes it's kinda hard to tell from the viewpoint of the gun camera just what sort of plane is doing the shootin!

Anlushac, I do a lot of browsing for P-47 stuff, and if i come across a pic with the rockets, I'll let you know ASAP.


 

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6. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
12-Aug-04, 00:15 AM (GMT)
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The most basic reason that there are few WWII vintage photos of P-47s with rockets is because rocket useage by the USAAF in the ETO was a rarity.

During the entire war in the ETO, the 9th AF expended just 13,959 rockets. The 9th was FAR more involved in ground attack than the 8th AF or any of the other US Air Forces.

Contrast this with the fact that the RAF expended well over 200,000 rockets in the ETO.

The US used rockets big-time in the PTO, where Navy and Marine aircraft alone, from August 1943 to August 1945, expended 210,056 rockets. I think the USAAF used rockets there as well.


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7. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
12-Aug-04, 00:49 AM (GMT)
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LAST EDITED ON 12-Aug-04 AT 01:22 AM (GMT)
 
Here's couple of pics I've found thus far. I'll keep on looking.


And one more I just found.....


 

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8. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
12-Aug-04, 02:38 AM (GMT)
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Cool thanks.

I was thinking the other reason was I keep hearing about the P-47 being the premier dive bomber against the Germans. All the ground troops who mention the P-47 always mention being used as a bomber.


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9. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
16-Aug-04, 08:46 PM (GMT)
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About six months ago, we had a guest speaker at my R/C club, a gentleman who flew Jugs with the 9th AF. According to him, he and his fellow pilots believed that the P-47 was the best dive bomber of the war. They made their bomb runs at less of an angle than the Stuka, SBD or SB2C, but still with good accuracy. And, unlike the other dive bombers, he said (and here's what made it the best), Their P-47s could fight their way out of just about any situation- no need for additional escort. AND they were tougher than any of the other dive bombers.

It's interesting, I think, that an aircraft that was originally designed as a high-altitude interceptor should have gained such fame and devotion right down on the deck. But the P-47 never lost her high-altitude abilities. With that turbosuperchager, nothing could touch the Thunderbolt above 35,000 feet. I used to have fun baiting enemy planes in the Aces High online game by cruising along at about 28,000 feet and letting some guy curve in behind me. I'd start climbing, and by the time we got to 34,000 or so, the other guy was having a tough time maintaining control, while I was still gaining power! Didn't matter if he had an P-51, Spitfire, Me-109, or an FW-190. I had the edge. I'd just level out, accelerate, turn into him, and become the hunter.


 

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10. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
18-Aug-04, 03:23 AM (GMT)
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That reminds me. If you ever get a chance to see "A Fighter Pilot's Story" with Quentin Aanenson, I hghly recommend it. Aanenson was a “Jug” pilot with the 366th F.G. He has some truly amazing, and often graphic memories of experiences. Here’s a link. http://pages.prodigy.com/fighterpilot/

It’s a bit pricey though. But if it reruns on PBS be sure to catch it.


 

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11. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
20-Aug-04, 12:31 PM (GMT)
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I have another pic of this particular aircraft (same tail number, same loadout) in the air and another pic of another N on the ground with just rockets.

I could have sworn I saw a pic somewhere of a P-47D with the phrase "zero-length rails" in the caption but I can't find it right now. I know I've seen several pics with bazooka tubes.


 

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12. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
20-Aug-04, 12:38 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
20-Aug-04, 06:47 PM (GMT)
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in my search i came across an interesting series of pictures, these being a 9th AF, 404th FG plane that has parts of it's landing gear fairings removed

the same plane with the interesing foreward airbase as a backdrop

any ideas on why that was done? damage perhaps?


 

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14. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
21-Aug-04, 01:26 AM (GMT)
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Very cool pics. One pic loooked like a 500lbr with a small cylindrical object attached to the outside of it. Any idea what it was? looks almost like a small frag bomb strapped to the 500lbr.


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15. "RE: P-47 with rockets"
21-Aug-04, 10:21 PM (GMT)
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LAST EDITED ON 21-Aug-04 AT 10:25 PM (GMT)
 
Both scans shows the same a/c viewed from diffenrent angles.

EjGr.-Ost-KIMURA


 

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